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on southwest airlines. >> wasn't it weird yesterday they had ralph reed and gary bauer out there talking about gay marriage. it was like just watching "meet the press" in the 1980s you know? there's nobody who is willing to come out. >> stephanie: who would not want to [ bleep ] gary bower frankly? >> gary bower ralph reed -- come on, ya know. >> stephanie: it has been previously speculated he might like sex with the dead. [ buzzer ] we have no information. only opposite sex. >> he looks like peter laurie. >> ralph reed looks like he's been preserved in formaldehyde. >> yes. so the two of them together are like a -- waiting to happen. >> stephanie: they do seem like dinosaurs. i was reading an article this weekend about somebody from one of the families, they devote their whole life to this to stopping other people from loving each other. it is really kind of -- you just kind of go really? is there another hobby you could get into? >> especially that lady from nam. >> and again, i love the family research council. >> you're on your mailing list. >> i'm not on your mailing list. i'm on their pr
values. and so when i hear ralph reed or rush limbaugh, it reminds me of someone seated in solitary confinement, they're talking to themselves with their own voices echoing. >> the voices in rush limbaugh's head are strong and loud. but let's open this up to our panel in new york. karen, could we be, there's a lot of talk of this rnc document and the fact that it doesn't mention church or christianity. and some blow-back as you're seeing from evangelicals about where at the table the social conservatives sit. i will read an excerpt from the always-wise jonathan chate who said when you're overburdened with ideological baggage you're not necessarily going to throw away the heaviest thing you're carrying, you're going to throw away the thing you like the least. for people running the republican party, that's social issues. >> the problem that the republican party is having, is the value these say they espouse do not match the policies they are preaching. do not match then the political reality of the country. chad knows, i've known chad a long time, he knows this as well as anybody, th
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